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Stack Toolbar, QnA |
January 18 , 2006
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: Welcome to today's class with Howard. I hope you all had a properous and successful week.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: One new feature has been put in the program and tweaked as customer feedback has been received.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: Please upgrade to the current version (01-17-06) if you have not already done so as the 17th version has the feature I will be demonstrating and discussing today and its behavior from its initial implementation in the 1-12 version has changed a bit.
Stack Toolbar
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: The feature is a Chart Stack Toolbar, and its purpose is to be able to more easily select which chart from a stack of charts is to be shown on the top surface.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: Here is an example.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: In this picture, I have 5 charts that overlap each other, and in my mind they form a stack.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: Now they could all have been perfectly aligned such that only the top chart shows. However, for the sake of this discussion, perfectly aligned charts are harder to show in the picture. So I have 5 charts a bit offset from each other so you can still see the chart captions.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: Below the charts I am showing the Chart Stack Toolbar which a tab tool with the names of the 5 charts on the tabs. In addition to the tabs, the toolbar has a narrow button on the left side with an = character on the button face. So there are 2 parts to this toolbar, 1) Content via the tabs, and 2) alignment via the = button.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: The content of the toolbar is automatic. All you have to do is have a stack of charts like in my example (and you might have more than one stack as well). When you click on a chart in the stack, the toolbar tabs will assume the names of the stacked charts.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: Here is the principle that governs which charts are discovered as being in the stack. For the chart you click on, it has a size in width and height, and a position on the screen. Ensign scans through all open charts, and looks for the mid-point of the chart, ie the center horizontally and center vertcally, and if this center point is underneath the selected chart, then it is considered in the stack. The center points for four of the charts are underneath the top ES #F chart, so these five make a stack.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: Now, If for some reason, I want to align all 5 charts to have the same position and size as exists for the selected chart, I can click on the = button on the toolbar. This action is a manual request to align all 5 charts with the selected chart.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: Let me do so and post a picture of the change.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: Now it looks like there is just 1 chart, excepting the clue from the Stack toolbar shows there really are 5 charts stacked in this position. I can click on the tabs on the stack to bring any one of the buried charts to the top surface. The charts are not minimized. They are stacked one on top of the other. Each is updating tick by tick, and studies are calculating, etc. The tool will give you added flexibility in arranging more charts on your limited screen space. And rotation through the charts in the stack via the tabs is instant. The charts do not need to load any files, nor recalculate any studies. So it is speedy to rotate through the stack to check the buried charts.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: If, for example, I have a 2nd stack. Click on a chart in the 2nd stack, and the toolbar tabs will change to show the 2nd stack content. In summary, content is automatic as you click on a chart in a stack.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: Alignment is optional and performed by the = button on the toolbar. Now, some of you will have charts that are minimized. And minimized charts are excluded from being listed in the stack. So, in my example of 5 charts, if I minimize the top chart, and click on the stack, the toolbar will show 4 charts instead of 5.
16:55 dblue: Is there a way to keep the alignment button from pulling charts that are not in stack but of same tf from elsewhere in workspace?
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: dblue, that should not happen.
16:55 dblue: does here ;((
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: To be a member of the stack, the center point of the chart has to be below the cover chart. If you have that situation, then I need more details about the chart positions and your multi-monitor arrangement. I have not seen the behavior you claim on my triple monitor set-up.
16:55 dblue: k.. will test and email
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: For all my charts, with triple monitors, the left coordinates for the charts are ever increasing values as one moves from 1st monitor on the left to the 3rd monitor on the right. Alignment button is checking that chart is not minimized, and that the center point is under the covering chart.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: The stack is looking for the chart in question to be covered by the top chart So it does not matter that you might have 3 charts of same symbol and time frame. These 3 still have unique positions. Possibly some monitor hardware may make the behavior different or unexpected, and I will have to try to figure that out.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: So, you are welcome to try it. Give feedback on how you like it.
16:55 MS: can I mix symbols and/or time frames as well?
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: yes mx
16:55 MS: thx
16:55 christophe: Would it be possible to shows several stacks simultaneoulsy (for example stack of short term time frames and stack of long term time frame)?
16:55 tt2: very nice new toolbar. I'd like to see multiples of it in the future if possible. I can see a use for 1 of them on each monitor/symbol. it can sure help relieve the heavy use of layering and speed up access to the chart you want
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: You can have multiple stacks, but only one toolbar.
16:55 dblue: toolbar can float too
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: The tool bar is not going to do multiple stack rotations simultaneously, however.
16:55 @Ensign-Howard: yes toolbar can float as in my example. The vertical line on the left side of the toolbar when docked is the handle to drag the toolbar off of the docking station. In my example where I minimized a chart, when I normalize it, it returns to its position on the stack and the toolbar tabs show the return of the chart to the stack, ie I show 5 tabs again instead of 4. You can redock the toolbar by dragging its caption line (blue) back to the dock. The toolbar can be docked on the top of the bottom of your Ensign workspace area.
16:57 Lry: Hi Howard, so to clarify, this works better than color groups because in addition to real estate, there is no reloading of data (compared to color groups), right?
16:58 @Ensign-Howard: correct lry.
16:58 Lry: thx
6:59 @Ensign-Howard: oh... let me mention one little trick about the stack. With my aligned stack of 5, I can drag the top chart elsewhere on the screen. The content of the toolbar has not changed. I can click the = key and the other 4 charts will now align with the newly located chart.
17:00 @Ensign-Howard: dblue, I think I see the issue you raise that the alignement is pulling in same tf charts from elsewhere on screen\ and that is because I have the position thing disabled for this repositioning feature.
17:01 @Ensign-Howard: Guess I will have to rethink which is more important to have. dblue, do not need any monitor details from you after all.
17:03 dblue: thanks Howard.. just posted examples
17:05 @Ensign-Howard: dblue, which is your preference? 1) ability to relocate a stack of charts or 2) not have alignment pull into the alignment charts of same symbol and tf when = is used to align? Relocation could be done by dragging all member charts individually to the new location and then aligning them all to one
17:06 @Buffy: I vote for 2 - don't often change location of charts in workspace
17:06 dblue: 2 here as well I think as have several charts of same tf
17:07 ticks: oh now yes with the above in mind #2 is better for sure
17:07 @Ensign-Howard: 2 is the expected behavior, and 1 is just a convenience that might be rarely used, so probably elect to have 2 as the behavior is a change I need to make to this tool.
17:07 mano: where do I find the stack toolbar ?
17:08 @Ensign-Howard: mano, with current version, click menu View and check the Stack Toolbar menu item so it is cshecked\
17:08 @Ensign-Howard: ok, for next upgrade I can change the current 1) behavior to be the preferred 2 behavior. Thanks for the feedback.
17:08 dblue: great.. yw
17:10 terry: What controls the order of the charts? The order of listing in the toolbar
17:11 @Ensign-Howard: The order the charts are in the stack when the stack is created initially. You can reorder by clicking on the chart. As you use the tab, and the charts change order, the tabs will remain the same so you do not loose where you just clicked. However, clicking on the chart will reorder the tabs to match the current chart order. Top chart will populate leftmost tab. Bottom chart will be rightmost tab.
17:13 @Ensign-Howard: In this picture, see ES is top chart and left tab, and MSFT is bottom chart and rightmost tab
17:13 terry: yes ty
Symbol Properties Window
17:01 ticks: Which "rules" the symbol props in the setup or the individual props on charts
17:02 ticks: so for example @CASH in the setup is using predetermined hours -- will that override the chart props
17:02 @Ensign-Howard: ticks, they both are views of the same table of records. When you open a chart for a symbol in the @cash group, we look to find its symbol property record. IF NO RECORD is found, then knowing it is in the @Cash group, we use the @CASH record as the default
17:03 ticks: well some of my charts take on the props in @CASH while others do not automatically that is and I do not change them manually in the props
17:03 @Ensign-Howard: if on the chart properties form, you start to edit any content of this record, and we will automatically initiate a new private record for this symbol so as to not disturb the @Cash default. If you intend to change the content of @Cash default, then you will have to use Setup | Properties to make the change.
7:04 ticks: got it - thanks - makes perfect sense now
QnA on DYOs
17:14 @Ensign-Howard: TOC, did you like the e-mail reply about the First occurance of the DYO flags
17:14 @Ensign-Howard: by the way, I have posted more than 40 new entries into the knowledgebase today.
17:15 TOC: @Ensign-Howard, yes...and I replied to it as there is one aspect to my request that needs some clarification
www.ensignsupport.com/email/758.mhtml
17:15 @Ensign-Howard: toc, did you see 2nd reply to you
17:16 TOC: @Ensign-Howard, no....sorry, been glued to the monitor hanging on your every word here - will look now - great TY
17:20 @Ensign-Howard: toc, in the post of the 758 knowledgebase, scroll to bottom for the added reply about the Flag Goes True - I think that is answer to your root question - and your question was a good exercise and item to have posted in knowledgebase for advanced users
17:21 TOC: @Ensign-Howard, thank you so much...implimented that line and getting desired result
17:21 @Ensign-Howard: DYO is powerful stuff, but where something might be can be buried in the hundreds of possibilities and it is most likely to be familiar to me since I wrote the tool and had to think about it at the time of creation.
17:21 TOC: indeed
17:20 mano: Only one stack bar shows at a time ?
17:22 @Ensign-Howard: yes mano
Request for Future Version
17:22 @Ensign-Howard: randy, ask now if you have a question
7:23 Randy: Looking for a Delta Vol marker.. is this in the new release?
17:23 @Ensign-Howard: no randy, do not have such a marker - Buffy requested, and it is on list of requests
Font Size for LP, Fibs etc
17:23 @Ensign-Howard: ticks your turn
17:23 ticks: Is it possible to change the font sizes on some studies like the Pessavento tool?
17:23 @Ensign-Howard: no ticks. The font for markers and draw tools is hardcoded as a sequence of draw lines so the size is fixed and to offer an alternative would double the size of the code that implements the current font images
17:24 ticks: understand
Position of Marker Pesavento Tools
17:25 ticks: Can the position of the marker be changed on the chart posts on the Pesavento tool?
17:26 @Ensign-Howard: ticks the PP has a 2nd position for labels on swing points, and that 2nd position did get a fix in the 1-19 version.
17:27 ticks: thanks Howard
Hull Average
17:26 cody: What is the default settings on HULL mov average. I'm trying to change the moving averages
17:26 @Ensign-Howard: cody, the parameter is the number 25 on LIne A. Edit the number field to implement a different parameter for the Hull
17:27 cody: ok so if I want a 10 just put in 10.00
17:27 @Ensign-Howard: y
17:27 cody: many thanks Howard - make it so easy lol
17:27 @Ensign-Howard: By the way, the feedback about Hull DYO has been positive.... it is a good average and liked by many
17:28 cody: It's better than jurik actually - I used jurik and Hull has it beat - Thank you Howard
17:28 @Ensign-Howard: Speaking of Jurik there were a couple posts to knowledgebase today about Jurik MA
17:28 christophe: good to know cody :> thx
17:28 @Ensign-Howard: let me find them
17:28 cody: yes please
17:29 @Ensign-Howard: This picture shows you how I searched the database for Jurik keyword and got 3 hits
17:30 @Ensign-Howard: 756 and 733 were posted today
www.ensignsupport.com/email/733.mhtml
17:31 @Ensign-Howard: Click menu Help | Q&A Knowledgebase. It is an excellent, but under utilized resource
17:31 @Ensign-Howard: The posts are my answers to e-mail from users and I try to include pictures to illustrate. The one just posted, it is a combination of a couple e-mail exchanges between me and the user, so you see a progression in our conversation all in one place
17:32 cody: thanks again Howard
7:33 ticks: If we do not know ESPL is there a template for that Hull cross setup?
17:33 @Ensign-Howard: ticks, if you want two Hull averages, put two DYOs containing Hull on the chart. That will give you two lines
17:34 @Ensign-Howard: if you want a crossing flag, store the result of each Hull DYO in a GV, and then in a 3rd DYO harvest the GV and then do your crossing testing
17:33 ticks: thanks Howard
No Data Feed Window and Keyboard Hot Keys
17:33 MidKnight: sorry, i'm late, I have a problem you may want to know about when you are free H
17:34 @Ensign-Howard: midknight, I am about to leave for my appointment. So if the problem is involved, send an e-mail and I will reply tomorrow or contact my staff. If it is a question, ask now
17:35 MidKnight: Howard, Ensign now gives this little popup window telling me that there is no data feed and now this comes to the front of Ensign but as a side effect, it also comes to the start of my entire windows environment. So I could be typing away on a document and all of a sudden Ensign gets focus and the keys I have typed trigger all these shortcuts in Ensign -- painful to figure out what keys I pressed because I type pretty fast.....Can you fix it so that it only comes to the front of Ensign and not get focus over my other applications?
17:36 @Ensign-Howard: midknight, one possible workaround you may want to use is to click menu Setup | Charts, click Keyboard tab
17:37 @Ensign-Howard: on this form uncheck the Enable Keyboard | for Charts check box.
7:37 MidKnight: does that mean I will still be able to ctrl-o for object list? and use the zoom in and zoom out keys?
17:39 @Ensign-Howard: midknight, CTRL-O still works with box unchecked
17:39 MidKnight: I also think that 'no data feed' warning is erroneous as my status says 'connected' so one of those is not accurate
17:39 @Ensign-Howard: you can do you own testing if you have more questions
17:40 @Ensign-Howard: midknight, go turn off the no data feed warning. It is a auto show message if traffic is not seen for 2 mintues
17:40 MidKnight: but I want to know when I have no data feed , ok. Why can't it just use the same method that 'status' does in the data feed box?
17:42 @Ensign-Howard: status is a boolean flag for the state of the connection between TWS and Ensign, it is a port thing. It does not mean you will have data flow. You could have lost the internet and feed has stopped, but connection still maintained
17:42 MidKnight: ok thanks H
GVs Putting Results on Chart Request
17:37 TOC: @Ensign-Howard, recently I was attempting to place the value of a study on the chart at pivots similar to the way that the pesavento tool places values at pivots...is there a way to do that, and if not, can a marker be added that would harvest a value from a line in the DYOS or from the label column?????
17:38 @Ensign-Howard: toc, interesting suggestion I need to ponder
17:38 TOC: @Ensign-Howard, there are some charts showing our work on this a couple of days ago
17:41 @Ensign-Howard: toc what is the meaning of the values 3558 and 5209 etc
17:41 TOC: @Ensign-Howard, those are the results of our studies...they happen to be the "Averge Volume per Swing"
17:42 Randy: very nice TOC
17:42 TOC: Randy, ty
17:42 MidKnight: that looks outstanding TOC, I reckon that could be useful
17:42 @Ensign-Howard: ok, so part of the delta vol marker request. ok, thanks everyone
17:43 TOC: @Ensign-Howard, those values were manually placed on the chart...if the values could be harvested...we could use the marker location feature of the DYOS to place them automatically in the Above/Below 4 level for instance
17:44 @Ensign-Howard: let me ponder how to make what you are trying to do easier, toc
17:43 @Ensign-Howard: you have a great week and month
17:43 TOC: @Ensign-Howard, TY
17:43 @Ensign-Howard: bye
17:43 MidKnight: see ya Howard, thanks
17:44 ticks: thanks Howard
17:44 terry: ty
17:44 christophe: outstanding toc :>
17:44 @Ensign-Howard: bye
17:44 christophe: gn all!
17:44 mano: tks Howard